tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981535449877684497.post6943816881566333362..comments2023-07-05T04:22:53.555-07:00Comments on Stokpile: The AH food chainStokpilehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07581874925422370761noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981535449877684497.post-74088542034316900422010-05-26T11:59:27.416-07:002010-05-26T11:59:27.416-07:00"15g/stack = 8 IotS + 2 snowfall = 8 glyphs +..."15g/stack = 8 IotS + 2 snowfall = 8 glyphs + 2 scrolls" <br />Just to reiterate that, at least when I left 9 months ago, the drop rate from Adder's Tongue was (somewhat conservatively) estimated at 6 IotS and 1 Snowfall. <br /><br />It doesn't seem like a lot, but who buys 1 stack? I buy scores of stacks when I can. In your model, each "item" has a cost of about 1.5g at your listed cost of AT. The more conservative model pans out to 2.142g per "item" - almost 1.5 times the cost. <br /><br />Basically, if someone works off the assumption that AT = 8 glyphs and 2 scrolls and tries to price accordingly, there's a high risk of loss if there's a goblin pushing margins to razor thinness. <br /><br />Personally, I don't mess with any glyph that doesn't look to have a "market" price of 10g or more, at least not right now, but many folks use the carpet bombing methodology. <br /><br />At any rate, I love the blog, just wanted to raise an eyebrow about that drop rate. Seems a bit high to me.AHAnticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05305513361494476478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981535449877684497.post-50479278772026139582010-05-21T12:21:27.502-07:002010-05-21T12:21:27.502-07:00this is a great exposition of the way I got to 100...this is a great exposition of the way I got to 100k back in TBC (I've never actually bothered to hit the cap, but I think hitting 6 figures in TBC was roughly equivalent to capping in wrath). <br /><br />My first 1-2k was made just selling my own stuff and doing auctioneer resale scans (well back when that was just the scan). By the time I'd made that money, I'd been scanning the auction house for a few weeks, and had started to pick up some of the patterns, and researched a bunch of the crafting arbs and market relationships. So I dabbled with really playing markets, I'd have a sense of when to buy it all up, even when there was a lot, and when to sell, pretty soon I was over 10k, bought a 3-tab guild and really started going to work. <br /><br />I never did any big craft industry, and in fact, typically found myself pushed away from good craft industry markets by the people who were working goblin-style. I would buy everything up, but the stuff would just keep coming. Crazy thing is, I usually ended up making money on my market control even against goblins if they weren't willing to camp me. they would sell me 20 items for 10g, I would sell 5 for 20g, then I'd buy another 20 for 10g, and sell 5 more for 20g before they relisted, etc. At the end of the thing, I basically had a huge pile of this stuff that was worth 10-20g ea, that I had effectively paid 5g ea. for. If I decided I hated the market, I could sell it all out undercutting the goblin at 7-8g and end up making a profit on my whole interaction. The problem is that it just didn't make as much gold/hr as doing the same stuff in markets that couldn't easily be resupplied, or when I operated on both the crafted market and the mat market.<br /><br />So after a while, I got to where I focused solely on mediumprice very high volume farmed items (LPS/LBS/SRS/GPE/GEE/GNE/Illdust/rep items), high price farmed items (primal nether/nethervortex/HoD/MotI) and very high price, low-medium volume crafted items (spellthreads, leg armors, crafted gear, cd cloth). <br /><br />Not to dissimilar from what I do now in wrath, just the new versions of everything.<br /><br />My #1 money maker was large prismatic shards, and gettign people to shatter void crystals. I bought so many of those void crystals for 10-15g and then sold 2 shards for 20g after paying somebody 1-2g ea to split them. outrageous. What put me to 100k was when mid-level guilds started emptying their guild banks near the end of TBC as it became clear that their guild wouldn't be getting that full set of shadow resist gear etc. I bought up shitloads of hearts of darkness for 1-200g when I could still sell them slowly for 4-500g. Marks of the illidari for 4-5g when I could get 20-30g for them. Got stuck with a stack or so when the prices finally crashed for real, but I was already many thousands of gold in the black by that point.<br /><br />Then I had too much life happening when wrath hit. I would have capped easily within the first month the way volatility was working, but the 50k gold I invested as I figured out what the key mats were at the start of wrath, ended up losing half its value when I failed to log into the auction house for almost 2-months, and typical start of expansion deflation killed me. I wasn't around for the beginning of TBC or I probably would have been a lot more careful about stockpiling so much.<br /><br />Anyway, you are the first ah writer to really talk coherently and accurately about the kind of forces that I was playing with when I was the king of the forgotten coast-US auction house.The Gnome of Zurichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203965173625552516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981535449877684497.post-74783558251118670262010-05-21T06:22:16.723-07:002010-05-21T06:22:16.723-07:00@Stokepile
I have noticed you left some markets. ...@Stokepile<br /><br />I have noticed you left some markets. Such as netherweave bags. :) I just created 70+ yesterday and they do sell like hot cakes.<br /><br />MulegirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981535449877684497.post-311861529493084142010-05-20T17:42:51.508-07:002010-05-20T17:42:51.508-07:00@ Mulegirl
Zomg I know you! I'm of the mind th...@ Mulegirl<br />Zomg I know you! I'm of the mind that any server is big enough to hit the cap, you just might need to work more markets than your standard niche to get there any time soon. I'm glad you enjoy the blog as you've definitely given me a fight worth remembering hehe.<br /><br />I've mostly left like 80% of my markets, though spellthreads are still one of the ones I keep up with. Admittedly not as much as before though. There will always be markets open to make a killing in, it's just a matter of finding a certain demand and supplying it. Like you and your epic ammo that I noticed you basically dominated for a good amount of time.Stokpilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07581874925422370761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981535449877684497.post-1809163904867424082010-05-20T17:26:25.824-07:002010-05-20T17:26:25.824-07:00Awesome stuff. Just started reading your blog and ...Awesome stuff. Just started reading your blog and I can't get enough. Especial since we both play Horde on Ysera and you have taken over my spellthread business. (Oh Deadfish...)<br /><br />Congratulation on the million gold reached. And I thought the server AH was too small to reach gold cap. Let alone 5 times! Was I ever wrong. Now please leave the AH so I can make some gold too... :)<br /><br />Again very good blog. I have read all post up to March so far and I plan to read them all. <br /><br />Keep up the good work,<br />MulegirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981535449877684497.post-90569098386081806822010-05-20T09:36:17.102-07:002010-05-20T09:36:17.102-07:00*** 15g/stack = 8 IotS + 2 snowfall = 8 glyphs + 2...*** 15g/stack = 8 IotS + 2 snowfall = 8 glyphs + 2 scrolls ***<br /><br />Please be careful when making comments like these - as it is far more common to only get 6 IotS and 1 Snowfall per stack of high Northrend herbs.<br /><br />To err on the side of caution, should always go with the rough "minimum" that you can get instead of the rough "maximum" that you can get - that way, there's no delusions of folks reading your comments and wondering why they aren't getting the same as you.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16883512953341438023noreply@blogger.com